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20NE, 20SE, 20SEH, C20NE, C20GET

These engines formed the basis of the modern Family II lineup. Configuration was limited to a single over head cam, and 2 Valves per cylinder (8 valves total). The 20NE served as the base, where later Family II engines evolved.
Common features include:
Cast iron block
6 bolt flywheel
Aluminum head.
1998 cc, 86 mm x 86 mm bore/stroke
Individual differences:
Engine
Power
Torque
Ratio
Engine Management
(Other)

20NE

116 horsepower (87 kW) @ 5200 rpm
175 Nm (129 lbft) @ 2600 rpm
9.2:1
Motronic ML 4.1

20SE

122 horsepower (91 kW) @ 5400 rpm
175 Nm (129 lbft) @ 2600 rpm
10.0:1
Motronic ML 4.1
High compression pistons

20SEH

130 horsepower (97 kW) @ 5600 rpm
180 Nm (130 lbft) @ 4600 rpm
10.0:1
Motronic ML 4.1
High compression pistons; More aggressive camshaft than 20SE

C20NE

115 horsepower (86 kW) @ 5200 rpm
170 Nm (130 lbft) @ 2600 rpm
9.2:1
Motronic 1.5/Motronic 1.5.2
Catalytic converter; Lambda sensor.

C20GET

165 horsepower (123 kW) @ 5600 rpm
175 Nm (129 lbft) @ 4000 rpm
8.0:1
Most likely Motronic 1.5
Turbocharged
A South African derivative of the 20SEH engine was used until 1999 in the Astra/Kadett models featuring 10:1 compression ratio and a Bosch Motronic 1.5.4 engine management system. Quoted power was 95 kW (129 PS; 127 hp) and 180 Nm (130 lbft) of torque.
The 2 liter 8v OHC engines is used in the base versions of:
Opel Calibra
Opel Astra F
Opel Omega A
Opel Kadett E
Opel Ascona C
Opel Frontera A
Opel Vectra A-A2-B
Vauxhall Cavalier
Vauxhall Astra
Vauxhall Carlton
Vauxhall Frontera
Vauxhall Calibra

20XE, 20XEJ, C20XE, C20LET

The naturally-aspirated 16-valve version of the 2.0 L 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)ast iron block engine is the successor to the OHC-engines and a predecessor to the 16-valve Ecotec-line of engines.
This lineup features the same block as the OHC based engines with an 86 mm (3.4 in) bore & stroke and a Cosworth-developed DOHC cylinder head (Cosworth Project KB). The cylinder heads were manufactured by either Cosworth or, at a latter date, Kolbenschmidt. In general, the heads from this lineup are supposed to flow appreciabl better than their Ecotec successors. Power output is rated at 110 kW (150 hp) at 6000 rpm and 196 Nm at 4600 rpm

(C20XE) or 156 hp (20XE).

Common features:
-1,998 cc (121.9 cu in); 86 mm 86 mm (3.4 in 3.4 in) bore x stroke
-Cast iron block
-Aluminium head
-Aluminium oil pan with cooling fins
-Air mass flow meter
-Knock sensors
-Twin Camshafts
-8 bolt flywheel

20XE

- 157 hp (117 kW)
- 198 Nm (146 lbft)
-Compression ratio: 10.8-1
-Engine Management: Bosh Motronic 2.5

C20XE

- 150 bhp (112 kW; 152 PS) @ 6000 rpm
- 196 Nm (145 lbft) @ 4600 rpm
-Compression ratio: 10.8-1
-Catalytic converter
-Lambda sensor
-Engine Management: Bosh Motronic 2.8

C20LET

- 204 hp (152 kW) @ 5600 rpm
- 280 Nm (210 lbft) @ 2400 rpm
- 102 bhp/litre
-Compression ratio: 9.0-1
-Catalytic converter
-Lambda sensor
-Different camshafts
-Turbo pressure: 0.6 bars (8.7 psi) continuous with a 0.8 bars (12 psi) overboost
-Engine Management: Bosch Motronic M2.7
-The map sensor is built into the ECU.
-Turbo used in the C20LET: KKK16, integral water cooling and oil lubrication.
These engines were used in:
Opel Kadett GSI 16v
Opel Vectra 2000
Opel Vectra GT 16V
Opel Vectra Turbo
Opel Calibra Turbo
Opel Calibra 16V
Opel Astra GSi 16v
Opel Astra Irmscher caravan
Lada 110

The turbocharged version of the C20XE, branded C20LET was also offered in the Opel/Vauxhall Calibra and Vectra Turbo. The C20LET is essentially the same as the C20XE, bar the lower compression, forged Mahle pistons turbocharger, Bosh Motronic M2.7 with MAP a sensor. There are also slight revisions to the block which provide an oil inlet/outlet for the turbocharger.

C25XE

Opel later developed a 2.5 liter V6 engine based on the C20XE's design. The GM 54-Degree V6 engine featured four camshafts and 4 valves per cylinder. The C25XE found use in the V6 Calibra/Vectra A/A2 and the Omega A (Known as the Vauxhall Carlton in the UK).
-2,498 cc (152.4 cu in)
- 170 hp (127 kW) @ 6000 rpm
- 226 Nm (167 lbft) @ 4200 rpm Engine Management Bosch Motronic 2.8

X20XEV

The first engine Opel branded as Ecotec, a mass-market successor to the C20XE with a Lotus-developed cylinder head. The new cylinder head had a smaller valve angle compared to the older C20XE, which was supposed to give more torque in the lower revs. It is a 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in) naturally aspirated engine with 16 valves and belt driven double overhead camshafts (DOHC). 86 mm (3.4 in) bore and stroke in cast iron OHC-derived cylinder block and aluminium cylinder head. X20XEV was equipped with exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) to reduce nitrogen dioxide emissions and air injection reactor (AIR) to speed up the warming up of the catalytic converter and to reduce unburnt hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide. Power 100 kW / 136 hp.
This engine was used in:
Opel Calibra 94-
Opel Vectra 94-
Opel Astra 94-
Opel Omega 94-

X25XE, X30XE

A GM 54-Degree V6 engine - essentially an Ecotec version of the C25XE. It has similar design features to the X20XEV - particularly the cylinder heads and emission reduction hardware. This engine was used in the Opel Omega B and for the first few years in the C
The X25XE was also used in Later Models of Vectra B from 2000 until 2002. It was to prove popular in Police Vehicles in the UK.
Ecotec
The Ecotec name was adopted in 2000 for the new generation of Family II engines. The name was already used for the Opel GM Family II engine, Family 1 and Family 0 ranges. GM intends this new Ecotec to become its global 4-cylinder.
The Ecotec Family II is a DOHC 4-valve design with an aluminum block and head (L850 for 86 mm bore applications, and L880 for 88 mm bore), designed for displacements from 1.8 to 2.4 L. It was developed by an international team of engineers and technicians from Opel's International Technical Development Center in Rsselsheim, Germany, GM Powertrain in Pontiac, Michigan, and Saab in Trollhttan, Sweden.[citation needed] Much of the development work on this project was carried out by Lotus Engineering, Hethel, United Kingdom. The engine uses aluminum pistons and cast iron cylinder liners. Vibration is reduced with twin balance shafts.
The current Ecotec line is manufactured in Tonawanda, New York, Kaiserslautern, Germany, and (for Saturn) in Spring Hill, Tennessee.

Turbo

Opel/Vauxhall offers a turbocharged version of the 2.0 L1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)cotec (the Z20LET) in a cast iron block; it features a square 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and stroke, 9.5:1 compression, 200 hp (150 kW) and 195 lbft (264 Nm) of torque. fuel economy 14.6 L/100 km (16.1 mpg-US) This engine is used in:
Opel Astra
Opel Zafira
Opel Speedster
From 2005, the Z20LET engine was revised for the Astra H and Zafira B, to three different model designations, Z20LEL, Z20LER and Z20LEH. The differing designations denote the engine power output, 170 hp, 200 hp and 240 hp. Further revisions to the original design include the deletion of the contrarotating balancer shafts in the 240 hp Z20LEH engine, to reduce mechanical losses.

LK9

This engine is also known as a Z20NET in other countries such as The United Kingdom and Australia
LK9 is a turbocharged 2.0 L 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)ersion of the L850 series ECOTEC utilizing a reinforced sand cast aluminum cylinder head and reinforced internal components. It features an 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and stroke and a 9.5:1 compression ratio. Power is 210 horsepower (160 kW) at 5300 rpm and 220 lbft (298 Nm) of torque at 2500 rpm. Maximum boost is 12.3 psi (0.85 bar). Fuel economy 16.1 L/100 km (14.6 mpg-US)
2003resent Saab 9-3
20032008 Opel Vectra
2006resent Cadillac BLS
LNF
Ecotec LNF in a Pontiac Solstice
A turbocharged direct injected (redubbed Spark Ignition Direct Injection) Ecotec was introduced in the 2007 Saturn Sky Red Line. It is a longitudinally mounted engine. Displacement is 2.0 L1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)ith a square 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and stroke. Compression is 9.2:1 and maximum boost is 1.4 bar (20.0 psi), delivering 260 hp (190 kW) at 5300 rpm and 260 lbft (350 Nm) of torque from 25005250 rpm. Engine redline is at 6300 rpm and premium fuel is recommended. The sodium filled exhaust valves were based on technology developed for the Corvette V8 powertrains. The sodium fuses and becomes a liquid at idle, which improves conductivity and draws heat away from the valve face and valve guide towards the stem to be cooled by the engine oil circulating in this aerea. The camshaft-driven direct injection systems pressurizes the fuel to 52 bar (750 psi) at idle, and up to 155 bar (2,250 psi) at wide-open throttle. The "Gen II" block is similar to the 2.4 L and also features VVT technology. The Gen II block was developed using data from racing programs and computer simulations. The bore walls and bulkheads were strengthened with a weight increase of 1 kg (2.5 pounds). The coolant jackets were expanded to improve heat rejection, resulting in a coolant capacity increase of 0.5 liters.
Unique LNF features include:
a twin-scroll turbocharger
cam-driven high pressure gasoline direct injection fuel system
dual camshaft continuously variable valve timing
sodium-filled stainless steel Inconel exhaust valves
low-friction cast aluminum pistons with oil squirters
forged steel crankshaft
forged steel connecting rods
cast stainless steel exhaust manifold
This engine is used in:
20072009 Opel GT
20072009 Pontiac Solstice GXP
20072009 Saturn Sky Red Line
2008-2010 Chevrolet HHR SS
2008-2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS
2010 Fisker Karma
2009 Elfin T5
This or a similar engine is used in:
2011 Buick Regal GS Concept

DI
A high-end direct injection version of the 2.2 L Ecotec is available for:
Opel Vectra
Opel Signum
A high-end direct injected 2.4 L Ecotec is available for the 2010 Chevy Equinox (see below: LAF). This engine makes 180 hp (130 kW; 180 PS) and 172 ftlbf (233 Nm) of torque, partly due to an 11.4:1 compression ratio.

L61

Ecotec L61 engine in a Chevrolet Classic
2003 Pontiac Sunfire Ecotec engine
This engine is also known as a Z22SE in other countries such as The United Kingdom and Australia
The basic Family II architecture was substantially reengineered in 2000, becoming the Ecotec 2.2, model L61 (or L42 for the CNG version). First appearing in the 2000 Saturn LS1, the L61 spread throughout North American GM products, displacing the Quad 4 and its descendants.
Unlike its notably harsh predecessor, the L61 was designed for smoothness - however in the nearly 20 years since the demise of the Oldsmobile engineered Quad 4, no other GM 4-cylinder has exceeded the output of the 190 hp (142 kW) 1991 W41 Quad 4. Only recently the Ecotec LAF exceeded the high volume 180 hp (134 kW) LG0 Quad 4. Dual in-block balance shafts were integral to the design, and all accessories were mounted directly to the engine block to reduce vibration. The oil filter was cast into the block with a removable cover and replaceable paper element.
Displacement for the 2.2 L engine is 2,196 cc (134.0 cu in) with an 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and 94.6 millimetres (3.72 in) stroke. Compression is 9.5:1 or 10:1, delivering 135 to 147 hp (101 to 110 kW) and 142 to 152 lbft (193 to 206 Nm) of torque. The Ecotec line is manufactured in Tonawanda, New York, Kaiserslautern, Germany, and (for Saturn) in Spring Hill, Tennessee. The L61-powered Saturn Ion replaced the Saturn-powered Saturn S-Series.
There are a few variations to the standard L61. The new Chevrolet Malibu uses a version with electronic throttle control and a special unitized exhaust manifold and catalytic converter. The 2003 Saturn L-Series has a high output version with higher (10:1) compression and more aggressive camshaft. The Malibu and Saturn versions also use return-less fuel injection. The 2002 Saturn VUE was the first North American variant of the L61 to be equipped with electronic throttle control, whereas other applications did not arise until 2005 in the Saturn ION and Chevrolet Cobalt. The supercharger and inlet manifold from the 2.0 Ecotec engine can be purchased as an official kit from GM and along with modified software in the ECM, can create a 2.2 supercharged version of this engine.
In 2007 the L61 was upgraded with a second generation cylinder case, Coil on plug ignition, 58x crankshaft position sensing and a 32-bit computer.
The 2.2 L Ecotec is used in the following cars:
Year(s)
Model
Power
Torque
20022005
Chevrolet Cavalier
140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
2004
Chevrolet Classic (Malibu)
144 hp (107 kW) @ 5600 rpm
155 lbft (210 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20052006
Chevrolet Cobalt
145 hp (108 kW) @ 5600 rpm
155 lbft (210 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20072008
148 hp (110 kW) @ 5600 rpm
152 lbft (206 Nm) @ 4200 rpm
2006
Chevrolet HHR
143 hp (107 kW) @ 5600 rpm
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20072008
Chevrolet HHR
149 hp (111 kW) @ 5600 rpm
152 lbft (206 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20022004
Oldsmobile Alero
140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20022005
Pontiac Grand Am
140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20022005
Pontiac Sunfire
140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20052008
Pontiac G5/Pursuit
145 hp (108 kW) @ 5600 rpm
155 lbft (210 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20032005
Saturn L-Series (high output)
140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm
145 lbft (197 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20032007
Saturn Ion
140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm
145 lbft (197 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20022007
Saturn VUE
143 hp (107 kW) @ 5600 rpm
155 lbft (210 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
20012005
Vauxhall VX220/Opel Speedster
147 hp (110 kW) @ 5800 rpm
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Astra
Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Vectra
Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Zafira/Subaru Traviq
Following the GM-Fiat agreement, the 2.2 L engine is also used in
Fiat Croma
Alfa Romeo 159

L42

The Ecotec 2.2, model L42 is the CNG version of the Ecotec 2.2. It delivers 129 hp (96 kW) and 129 lbft (175 Nm).
LSJ
Ecotec LSJ engine in a 2006 Saturn Ion Red Line
The LSJ is a supercharged version of the LK9 Ecotec with an Eaton M62 Roots-type supercharger and air-to-liquid intercooler. It is rated at 205 hp (153 kW) at 5600 rpm and 200 lbft (271 Nm) at 4400 rpm with a compression ratio of 9.5:1 and a 6500 rpm redline. With the end of the Chevy Cobalt S/C SS and Saturn Ion Red Line, The LSJ will no longer be available in a production car after 2007.
The LSJ was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 2006.
This engine is used in:
Year(s)
Model
Power
Torque
20042007
Saturn Ion Red Line
205 hp (153 kW) @ 5600 rpm
200 lbft (271 Nm) @ 4400 rpm
20052007
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged Coupe
205 hp (153 kW) @ 5600 rpm
200 lbft (271 Nm) @ 4400 rpm

LE5

Ecotec LE5 engine in a 2006 Pontiac Solstice
The LE5 is a larger 2.4 L2,376 cc (145.0 cu in)ersion of the Ecotec. Both the 88 mm (3.5 in) bore and 98 mm (3.9 in) stroke are larger, and Variable Valve Timing on the intake and exhaust improve low-end torque. Compression is 10.4:1. Power is 164-177 hp (123-132 kW) and torque is 159-170 lbft (215-230 Nm). The engine uses a reinforced "Gen II" block.
Year(s)
Model
Power
Torque
20062007
Chevrolet Cobalt SS
173 hp (129 kW) @ 6200 rpm
163 lbft (221 Nm) @ 4800 rpm
2008
Chevrolet Cobalt Sport
171 hp (128 kW) @ 6200 rpm
167 lbft (226 Nm) @ 4800 rpm
20062008
Chevrolet HHR
175 hp (130 kW)
165 lbft (224 Nm)
20062008
Pontiac G5/Pursuit
171 hp (128 kW) @ 5800 rpm
167 lbft (226 Nm) @ 4500 rpm
20062009
Pontiac G6
169 hp (126 kW) @ 6300 rpm
162 lbft (220 Nm) @ 4500 rpm
20062009
Pontiac Solstice
173 hp (129 kW) @ 5800 rpm
164 lbft (222 Nm) @ 4500 rpm
20062009
Saturn Sky
173 hp (129 kW) @ 5800 rpm
166 lbft (225 Nm) @ 4800 rpm
20062007
Saturn Ion
175 hp (130 kW) @ 6200 rpm
164 lbft (222 Nm) @ 4800 rpm
20082009
Saturn Aura
169 hp (126 kW)
162 lbft (220 Nm)
2008resent
Chevrolet Malibu
169 hp (126 kW)
162 lbft (220 Nm)
20082009
Saturn Vue
169 hp (126 kW) @ 6200 rpm
161 lbft (218 Nm) @ 5100 rpm
The LE5 is also used in the following overseas models:
2006 GM Taiwan Buick LaCrosse
2006 Shanghai GM Buick LaCrosse

LAT

The LAT is the designation used for the 2.4 L LE5 when used in GM's mild hybrid vehicles.
Year(s)
Model
Power
Torque
Fuel economy (average; 63 mph)
20072009
Saturn Aura Green Line Hybrid
164 hp (122 kW) @ 6400 rpm
159 lbft (216 Nm) @ 5000 rpm
2007
Saturn Vue Green Line Hybrid
170 hp (130 kW) @ 6600 rpm
162 lbft (220 Nm) @ 4200 rpm
2008
Saturn Vue Green Line Hybrid
172 hp (128 kW) @ 6500 rpm
167 lbft (226 Nm) @ 4500 rpm
2008resent
Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid
164 hp (122 kW) @ 6400 rpm
159 lbft (216 Nm) @ 5000 rpm

LE9

The LE9 is an E85 compatible version of the 2.4 L2,384 cc (145.5 cu in)E5 Ecotec. Bore and stroke are 88 mm (3.5 in) and 98 mm (3.9 in) and has a compression ratio of 10.4:1, the same as the LE5.
Year(s)
Model
Power
Torque
2009resent
Chevrolet HHR
172 hp (128 kW) @ 5800 rpm (gasoline)
167 lbft (226 Nm) @ 4500 rpm (gasoline)
176 hp (131 kW) @ 5800 rpm (E85)
170 lbft (230 Nm) @ 5000 rpm (E85)
2010
Chevrolet Malibu (fleet only)
175 hp (130 kW) @ 5800 rpm (E85)
170 lbft (230 Nm) @ 5000 rpm (E85)

LAP

The LAP is a 2.2 L2,189 cc (133.6 cu in)ersion of the Ecotec, based on the Gen II block. Bore and stroke are 86 mm (3.4 in) and 94.6 mm (3.72 in), the same as the 2.2 L L61. Compression ratio is 10.0:1. Major features that set it apart from the 2.2 L L61 are variable-valve-timing and other cylinder head improvements from the 2.4 L LE5.
Year(s)
Model
Power
Torque
2009
Chevrolet Cobalt
155 hp (116 kW) @ 6100 rpm
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4900 rpm
2009
Pontiac G5
155 hp (116 kW) @ 6100 rpm
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4900 rpm

LE8

The LE8 is an E85 compatible 2.2 L2,189 cc (133.6 cu in)ersion of the LAP Ecotec. Bore and stroke remain the same 86 mm (3.4 in) and 94.6 mm (3.72 in). Compression ratio is 10.0:1 and the engine can run on both regular unleaded gasoline or E85.
Year(s)
Model
Power
Torque
2009
Chevrolet HHR
155 hp (116 kW) @ 6100 rpm (gasoline)
150 lbft (203 Nm) @ 4800 rpm (gasoline)
160 hp (120 kW) @ 6000 rpm (E85)
158 lbft (214 Nm) @ 4600 rpm (E85)

LAF

The LAF is a direct injected 2.4 L. It uses technology based on GM other four-cylinder direct injection applications, but with unique features designed for its specific application. This includes an 11.4:1 compression ratio that helps build power, slightly dished pistons that increase combustion efficiency and injectors with an application-specific flow rate.
Year(s)
Model
Power
Torque
2010
GMC Terrain
Chevrolet Equinox
182 hp (136 kW) @ 6700 rpm (gasoline)
172 lbft (233 Nm) @ 4900 rpm (gasoline)
2010
Buick LaCrosse
182 hp (136 kW) @ 6700 rpm
172 lbft (233 Nm) @ 4900 rpm
2011
Buick Regal
182 hp (136 kW) @ 6700 rpm
172 lbft (233 Nm) @ 4900 rpm
D-TEC/E-TEC II
Holden makes various Family II engines for GM India and GM Daewoo at its Melbourne plant. Variations include displacements from 1.8 L to 2.4 L. Unlike the Ecotec engines, the block is made of iron.

L34

This is the 2.0 L1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)ariant of the engines, featuring an 86 mm (3.4 in) bore and 86 mm (3.4 in) stroke. Power is 119 hp (89 kW) at 5400 rpm and torque is 126 lbft (171 Nm).
The engine has been used on following vehicles:
Chevrolet Optra
Chevrolet Evanda
Suzuki Reno
Suzuki Forenza
Other models
1.8 L - Chevrolet Lacetti, Chevrolet Nubira, Chevrolet Rezzo
C24SE, *2.4 L SOHC - Isuzu Rodeo
2.4 L DOHC - Chevrolet Captiva, Opel Antara

GM do Brasil
General Motors do Brasil specializes in older SOHC FlexPower (alcohol and petrol powered) iron block engines.
X20XE2.0 L SFI SOHC 8V FlexPower
X24XF2.4 L MPFI SOHC 8V FlexPower
X24SFD2.4 L SFI DOHC 16V FlexPower
In 2004, a 2.0 L MultiPower engine was made available for the taxi market which could use gasoline, alcohol and natural gas.
A 2.0 L FlexPower engine is available for the current Chevrolet Astra and Vectra. The 2006 Chevrolet Vectra also received a 2.4 L 16V FlexPower engine.

Ariel Atom

In late 2005 Brammo Motorsports struck a deal with GM for a Supercharged 2.0 L Ecotec for their Ariel Atom. The engine came in various ratings from 205 hp (153 kW) to 300 hp (220 kW). Jay Leno received the very first Atom for commercial sale in the US by Brammo.
See also
GM 122 engine
GM Family 1 engine
GM Family 0 engine
List of GM engines

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